These were forged from 1/2 new square bar stock and tested to 55lbs .And There's pictures of each one how wide they are.And were flattened and reheated just enfough to twist these in a vise with large adjustments with creasent 🔧 wrench. There's a pice of 1/2 square next to 3/8 to show There's no way to get this mass and thickness out of 3/8 As I've not seen any thing on ebay this nice or wide full twist and with tall wide spoon backs.They clearly the better choice for longevity and strength. You look at some pictures then you decide. As good industrial Blacksmith Made items are far superior to others in styles and strength and all-around eye catching styles and beauty...