Had these for two years, worn primarily as lounge pants. Spent most of their time in my closet. Only air-dried. I tried them as a baselayer for winter/fat-biking, but I just don't need a baselayer. They work great as lounge pants, really soft. Great fit, I am 5'10, 180lbs, fit is about spot on, jogger style just isn't my style. Thanks for looking!